Dr Attaur Rehman looks unsatisfied with water-kit formula
Saturday, August 4th, 2012 12:56:05 by Faisal Farooq
Former chairman of the Higher Education Commission (HEC) Dr Attaur Rehman looked unsatisfied with the much-talked water-kit capable of powering a car.
He rejected the viability of the water-kit based on the scientific law of conservation.
While speaking to the media he observed, “The car has not been subjected to scientific examination and yet the issue has been blown out of proportion by irresponsible media coverage and praises showered by ministers”.
In his view, the self-claimed inventor would have filed an international patent to protect his invention and only then he would come out with the claim if he had been genuine. The scientist believes that there was an immense scam behind the claim to grab money from the government and corporate sectors.
It is vital to mention here that Engineer Agha Waqar Ahmed has become a household name after he appeared on several primetime talk shows to showcase his formula, which he claims can power vehicles.
However, the scientists including Dr Attaur Rehman and Professor Dr Pervez Hoodbhoy rejected the claims of Waqar Ahmed, saying it was against the basic laws of physics.
While rubbishing the claim of self-claimed inventor, the former HEC chairman said that these statements could only be made in Pakistan. He said that scientific researches in other countries were taken seriously and no one would pretend to mock the scientific theories in this way.
He was of the opinion that Agha Waqar didn’t have basic knowledge of physics. He noted, “This is the first mistake he is making and he does not even know that you can’t even get electrolysis on distilled water. For this purpose you have to have an electrolyte which can be decomposed by electrolysis.”
Explaining that a power energy source, which could only be a battery in this case, is needed to separate water into hydrogen and oxygen and then recombine them through combustion to release energy.
He added, “But firstly, the energy which is required to separate hydrogen and oxygen will always be greater in amount than the energy released and secondly, the external energy source will eventually die out to fail the process since the efficiency of electrolysis in hardly 20 to 30%.”
In his view, if this was not the case the inventor has invented a perpetual motion machine which according to a scientific consensus is impossible.
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Many Theoretical Scientists and Ph.D are Jahil Ignorant who attach this invention with the “Law of Conservation of Energy” These Ph.D’s are like a donkey loaded with Books[Quran 62:5}. That biggest invention of millennium has no relation with law of conservation of energy. In Patrol car Fuel pump is run by Battery and in water Car instead of fuel pump, tiny current of continuously recharging battery will be used to crack water into OH and H gases with CONTROLLED VERY UNIQUE METHOD OF ELECTROLYSIS, In this invention neither Energy is being CREATED nor DESTROYED; therefore It in no way violates the Law of conservation of Energy. It is just transforming chemical energy of water into heat energy and then after burning in engine to Mechanical energy. So simply, nothing is changed except that black Petrol has been replaced by White-Petrol[Water}. Black Petrol carry Hydrogen also and White-Petrol Water carry Hydrogen gas also. So any Ph.D or a so called scientists who says, that this inventions violates Law of conservation of Energy is THE BIGGEST HIMAAR[Donkey} on this planet.
Electrolysis is old technique but might be Agha has used some special unique technique with capacitors that uses very litter current. It might be that during that process partially fusion is going on too. Besides, Science is not dogma or scripture like Noble Quran that will not change. Science has falsified many times its own laws over time. Popular Dalton theory about Atomic 70 years ago has been fully rejected and falsified by modern Atomic Physics of Today
If Agha has invented what he claims, he deserves the biggest Nobel prize of millennium but if he is found doing fraud with carbide or in other way, he must be hanged with lamp post and keep his body hanging there for one week
Any man who is aware of science, engineering and mathematics is unsatisfied with the newly invented science of Mr Agha (Which he himself doesn’t knows about).
The laws which nature don’t dare to break, are being violated by Mr Agha with poorly designed / copied kit, poorly designed / copied process and with poor understanding of IC engines as how they work.
The origin of Mr Agha’s kit is a ditto of patent of Stanley MEYER Resonant Electrolysis Cell System: Stanley himself was failed to reproduce these results in front of technical evaluators. But Stanley at least done some technical home work to fool the public, but Mr Agha don’t even know the resonance phenomena and resonance frequency of water, but magically he got that frequency to break water bond. Despite such idiots, media also deserve medals of ignorance if you just see the quality of questions they put to the inventors and how they conceive the answers. If media don’t know anything about technical things, they should not be allowed to just play the role of KHALA KHERAN
Water Car – What is Truth? By Abdullah Warsi P.E — Part 1/2:
A Bold truth is, that a few theoretical Scientists and Ph.D’s are Jahil Ignorant who attach this invention with the “Law of Conservation of Energy” These Ph.D’s are like that donkey of Noble Quran that is loaded with Books (Quran 62:5). Agha’s Water-Kit is the greatest invention of mankind history & that invention has no any relation with the law of conservation of energy & Law of thermodynamics. Soon a time will come when these a few Jahil theoretical Ph.Ds who are insulting Agha Waqar in “TV SHOWS”, will be hiding their faces from public. Please note that the biggest “Practical Ph.D scientist” of Pakistan A.Q Khan has supported this invention. A Ph.D has good knowledge but he cannot claim that he knows all and his knowledge is complete. COMPLETE KNOWLEDGE IS ONLY with Allah Jalla Aala Aleem-ul-Khabir. If I have not visited Lahore that does not mean that I should claim that Lahore does not exist. Existing our some theoretical Ph.Ds has no ability to understand that greatest Invention of Agha Waqar. But instead of admitting that they do not have ability to understand that new invention; they are yelling on this humble gentleman Agha by declaring him fraud. This is extremely irresponsible attitude. Unless fraud is caught physically in that car; no one has right to announce in TV shows that it is fraud. Ph.D’s know of course many things; YET THEY DO NOT KNOW EVERY THING. Only Allah Aleem-ul-Khabir Knows everything. When Prophet Moses claimed that he was the most learned man of that time; Allah sent him Wahi & said O Moses: This is not correct, I have people on this earth who have even more knowledge than you. He was then advised to travel with Khizer (detail is in Sura Kahaf in Glorious Quran)
If Albert Einstein, Isaac Newton, & King of Inventors Thomas Edison were alive today, they would had travelled to the house of Agha Waqar in Khairpur Sindh Pakistan to salute Agha Waqar. If “Alfred Nobel” of Sweden could come out of his grave today, he could has suggested “Noble Prize Committee” that please change name of “Nobel Prize” to “Agha Waqar Prize”. Reader should note that king of inventors EDISON who also invented electrical lamp was so poor that he used to sell Newspapers and used to cultivate vegetables in his house, so to sell them in order to pay expenses of his education. A jealous group who is against the invention of Agha Waqar says, how a diploma holder can invent. First of all Agha has Bachelor in Technology B.Tech, Moreover, reader should note that the biggest inventor of history Thomas Edison was a simple technician. He was not B.Engg or Ph.D.
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Water Car – What is Truth? By Abdullah Warsi P.E —— Part 2/2:
Law of Conservation says that energy neither be produced not destroyed but energy can be transformed from one form to other. In Agha’s Kit invention, neither Energy is being CREATED nor DESTROYED; therefore it in no way violates the Law of conservation of Energy or thermodynamics. It is just transforming chemical energy of water into heat energy and then after burning in engine to Mechanical energy. So simply, nothing is changed except that black Petrol has been replaced by White-Petrol[Water}. Black Petrol carries Hydrogen also and White-Petrol Water carries Hydrogen gas also. So any Ph.D or a so called scientists who says, that this inventions violates Law of conservation of Energy for sure he is telling lies to people. The main objection by some these Theoretical useless Ph.Ds is that car battery is unable to sustain the electrical supply to electrolysis unit of that invented KIT because as per these theorists, Energy produced by electrolysis will be less than the energy being consumed by battery and car will not run. But we all have seen that Car is running. That is itself Proof that what Theorists has assumed is incorrect otherwise car MUST NOT RUN but it runs in practice. This is the most important part of this invention. Now this objection of theoretical Ph.Ds seems correct if old conventional technique of electrolysis is used that need too much electric power to proceed. But Agha’s team has invented a new technique of Electrolysis which is core part of this invention. In Agha’s technique, he has used distilled water to make it dialectic between about 20 metallic plates & he put that unit in series RLC circuit that he managed/calculated to operate at resonance level that periodically produce millions of volts, changes plates with distilled water’s dielectric into a very powerful capacitance. In that scenario, Water becomes unable to hold bond between H and OH ions and huge quantity of H & OH gases start to produce. Following video can show u how it works. http://is.gd/vEJETl Because reaction is in resonance so it is now almost self-sustaining. To convert it from “almost self-sustaining” to “100% sustaining” a very little current from car battery is supplied to that gas-producing unit; that current in milliamps is so small that even less than the current that Car Radio uses.
Also note that Car battery is always charged by builtin electric DC Generator of car in every car when car is running. Therefore in practice this invention will have no any effect on the capacity and life of car battery. It is like mechanical benefit. For example, can one person lift his car with his one hand above ground? Answer is NO. But one person when places Jack between his hand and car, he can now lift car easily. Resonance in RLC circuit is in lieu of that mechanical Jack that lifts car easily. Another example is pendulum of big wall Clock. Another Example is Swing of girl (In Punjabi Kurree) that she makes after tying rope at the branch of tree. At the beginning, she needs someone to push her in swing [external force] but later she will continue swing herself. Now periodically a little external push is needed to keep her continue. Another Example is big wheel. U need force to move it. But when it is is rotating, u need very little external force to continue its rotation. For new invention also very little current of battery is needed to keep the reaction continue. Besides, there is high probability [to be investigated in future] that periodic pulse of millions volts among metallic plates also can fuse some hydrogen partially that creates so big energy that system will easily sustain. Even if we ignore fusion, so high voltage will increase production of H and OH exponentially from 100 to thousands time more than conventional old style electrolysis which will be more than enough that is needed by Car. Cell size is also a factor in production rate. For example for railway engine or a factory, either more cells or bigger cells will be designed.
Thu this invention does not violates any law of physics but we should also tell truth that Science is not dogma or scripture like Noble Quran that will not change. Science has been falsified many times by its its own new laws over time. Popular Dalton theory about Atom 70 years ago has been fully rejected and falsified by modern Atomic Physics of Today. Also we should know another truth that thu it is good to achieve an Ph.D but a Ph.D is never a license for new inventions. In fact if we study past history, majority of great inventors like Edison were just simple hardworking technicians. This is matter of fact that In Pakistan B.Sc Engineers and Ph.D’s think that how a graduate of Technology can invent? This kind of their thought is based on total nonsense and jealousy. I suggest reader to read following file in which each step of Agha’s invention is given in detail. This file is an excellent source of info for who has good understanding in engineering physics. To Sum up: That Water-kit of Agha team is indeed the greatest invention of mankind history. It will change whole globe and soon no one will be buying petrol. [Author of this article is in the field of practical Engineering physics from past 45 years].
http://is.gd/hkaVsb
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Those idiots claiming to be engineers and scientists and refuting basic laws of physical universe are even more jahil than agha. We need to get their degrees verified.
What nonsense they are putting in support of Agha, that guy even is not capable of understanding that.
Any wise person can understand at the spot that it is despicable crime to declare Agha Waqar a fraud with out finding physically any fraud in car that he has already demonstrated in front of top journalists politicians and many Ph.D’s. Some theoretical Ph.D’s has launched hate campaign against the greatest inventor of mankind history Agha Waqar. All objections of these some IRRESPONSIBLE Ph.D’s do not carry any weight and sense. They WRONGLY claim, this invention violates laws of science; in fact it does not. The reason of their totally absurd claims is their jealousy against inventor & their inability to understand that new invention. Sometime they say, Agha is not engineer, so he cannot invent. But Edison the biggest inventor of history was too neither Ph.D nor even B.Engg. Ata Rehman & Hoodbhoy are driving in wrong direction on one way road. Their all hue & cry is, that car cannot be run on electrolysis with battery but they do not know that method of Agha is ABSOLUTELY not Electrolysis. When they will know his method, they will not sleep many nights
Respected editor: Please publish this letter so people must know what is truth and what is falsehood. I have tried to use soft language as I could. But u can edit it if some thing is harsh. Thanks
Mr. Ata Rehman:
Your objection on this invention and your slandering campaign against this invention is ONLY AND ONLY based on your stubbornness, ignorance and jealousy. I can prove it as follow that what you have said is nothing but a piece of crap that can only be expected from a mentally retarded beast who is burning in Jealousy:
1- You said that Agha is running car w/o external source. This is ur lie. Water has Hydrogen gas and Petrol has same gas too. In petrol car, battery runs fuel pump and in Agha’s car the current that is used for fuel pump is used to crack water into gases. So ur slander that it is perpetual machine is false and absurd. His new method is new invention and ABSOLUTELY NOT ELECTROLYSIS. U cannot activate electrolysis in distilled water.
2- You said Agha has no Engineering Degree so he cannot be inventor. This your argument is EXTREMELY shameful because It is absolutely not necessary to have Ph.D or B.E Engg in order to invent. Your this extremely shameful argument can be fully debunked because the biggest inventor of history Thomas Edison was neither a Ph.D nor have B.E Engg. This is fact that most of great inventors were not well versed in theory of sciences. They were just Technicians/Technologists like Agha.
3- In your TV Shows and in ur articles you have frequently declared Agha a Fraud even with out finding any physical fraud in his car that he has demonstrated already in front of many people. It is your total moral bankruptcy that you are mongering slanders of fraud even w/o Proof against that humble inventor. As per Islamic law, You deserve 80 stripes on your back or u bring physical Proof of fraud.
4- At the end of your article, you have said that GOV should give exemplary punishment to Agha. This is again your extremely preposterous claim as you are suggesting punishment against the greatest inventor of mankind history against whom you have no any proof of fraud. In fact Gov must give that exemplary punishment to you because it is you and not Agha who is misleading people and it is you who has proved himself a big slander monger.
5- Truth is this, that Agha is not well versed in theory but yet have brought mother of all inventions. You and your old books have no ability yet to understand this invention. This is ABSOLUTELY NOT ELECTROLYSIS but a new technique. A liter water has energy equal to millions of KW too if u understand what I mean-fusion. You claim that you are Ph.D; yet you do not understand, that in distilled water, electrolysis cannot be activated. Your Ph.D must be investigated if it is not bogus. Because Agha is not well versed in theory, this is why he wrongly introduced his method as electrolysis. IT IS ABSOLUTELY NOT ELECTROLYSIS because battery cannot run car through electrolysis.
6- The biggest proof of TRUTH is practical demonstration of invention in front of people which is eye witness through observation. That what Agha has already done. If you are unable to understand that invention, that does not mean it is fraud but its mean, you have yet no ability to understand that invention & so you must educate yourself and updated your old man-made laws and theories as per new invention. Are you Allah? No. Only Allah has complete knowledge. A Ph.D know many things YET DO NOT KNOW EVERY THING. In Agha’s system, his invention provides trigger for reaction, then that reaction is almost self-Sustaining. To change it from “Almost Self-Sustaining” to “SUSTAINING”, It need periodical push from car battery. But that push is in milliamps and so small that it is less than the current that car radio uses. Ata Rehman. I will not yet disclose secrets of this invention though I know it fully. I just give u hint and if your brain is still young, that will pick it. In his method Agha’s team provides trigger to start reaction & after, that reaction can be sustained with very very little current from battery. Consider example of Kerosene lamp. You start/lit it once by a little fire; then that works itself. only you have to add kerosene periodically to continue it. Instead of kerosene of this example in Agha’s Kit is needed very little current in milli-amps and more distilled water periodically so that it continues.
7- You also claimed that what Agha has done is already been done by many in past. Here you have told again 100% lie. In past people has blended gas with petrol to reduce cost of Petrol but no one ever succeeded to replace petrol 100% by water. Agha is the first person who has done so and his invention is clear a TRUTH as is Sun on sky. and u will see it.
TRUTH: Pakistani Water Car invented by Agha Waqar & his team is indeed the greatest invention of mankind history: A Nation that has one of the most creative brains in the world has finally won.
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Any wise person can understand at the spot that it is despicable crime to declare Agha Waqar a fraud with out finding physically any fraud in car that he has already demonstrated in front of top journalists politicians and many Ph.D’s. Some theoretical Ph.D’s has launched hate campaign against the greatest inventor of mankind history Agha Waqar. All objections of these some IRRESPONSIBLE Ph.D’s do not carry any weight and sense. They WRONGLY claim, this invention violates laws of science; in fact it does not. The reason of their totally absurd claims is their jealousy against inventor & their inability to understand that new invention. Their universe of science has been stuck & confined to a blackbox called electrolysis. Just like a rusty deformed needle of a retired old wall clock is stuck at one place due to its weak battery. So these some useless jealous Ph.D’s have lost their faculty to think OUT OF BOX. They will not understand mechanics of this greatest invention unless they start to think out of box. Sometime they say, Agha is not engineer, so he cannot invent. But Edison the biggest inventor of history was too neither Ph.D nor even B.Engg. Ata Rehman & Hoodbhoy are driving in wrong direction on one way road. Their all hue & cry is, that car cannot be run on electrolysis with battery but they do not know that method of Agha is ABSOLUTELY not conventional Electrolysis. When they will know his method, they will not sleep for many nights.